Mind Your Heart
Welcome to "Mind Your Heart," this cozy corner of the internet where Trina Deboree and Emily Reneé —your real-life Lorelei and Rory Gilmore duo—come together each week to chat about everything from mental health to the daily nuances of life. In each episode, we peel back the layers of topics like anxiety, depression, PTSD, and eating disorders with warmth, understanding, and a touch of humor (because otherwise, this just sounds depressing)!
Trina, an educator turned entrepreneur and mental health advocate, joins forces with her daughter Emily, a mental health coach and anorexia survivor, to share their journeys and insights in a way that feels like a heart-to-heart with old friends. The goal? To spark conversations that truly matter and to create a space where laughter meets healing.
Let's navigate the ups and downs of mental health together, making each day brighter and each challenge a little lighter. Grab your emotional support water bottle, put in your headphones, and join us while we mind our hearts for chats that comfort and inspire.
Mind Your Heart
MYH: 17 Embracing Mindfulness and Connection With Caroline Sherratt
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Yoga teacher and meditation facilitator Caroline Sherratt, joins us on Mind Your Heart Podcast to explore the intersection of mindfulness, connection, and self-awareness. Caroline’s trauma-informed approach offers unique insights into embodied practices and nervous system regulation, creating a space where listeners can learn to soften the barriers around their hearts. Emily shares a heartfelt story about meeting Caroline at a Bali retreat, where she discovered the transformative power of feeling safe and connected. Together, we discuss the significance of crafting environments that allow for emotional release and community building.
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Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your favorite corner of the internet where we chat about all things mental health. I'm Emily.
Speaker 2:And I'm Trina. Together, we're like your real-life Lorelai and Rory Gilmore. Each week, we'll bring you real conversations about the world of mental health and we will peel back layers on topics like anxiety, depression and much more.
Speaker 1:We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff, the everyday stuff and everything in between. So grab your emotional support water bottle I know we have ours. Find your comfiest chair or keep your eyes on the road and let's get into it. Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Join us as we mind our hearts and hopefully make minding yours a little easier.
Speaker 1:Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 2:Welcome back.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Mind your Heart. We're in a little bit different of a setting today because we are having guests.
Speaker 2:Yay, and you know what? I'm going to have to pay you $5 because I just realized that this is recorded and you know I'm so used to doing my podcast. I have two other podcasts Well, they're over right now but I've done two other podcasts and I've always. I've never done like live. I mean, I've never I've done live. I've never done like video.
Speaker 2:I've never used the video until like the last year of one of them and I was like I'm going to start using this on social, but I never. I didn't record it. So I was like, oh yeah, I don't have to worry about getting dressed today. What was I thinking?
Speaker 1:You look good, so I don't think that there's anything wrong. I mean, like I currently am I I know I'm I am on day 28, 29 of my cycle, so like I haven't breaking out a little bit more. I also had gluten. Oh so much gluten and dairy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so much. I woke up. I was a grouchy Gus and I'm like I am a grouchy Gus. That's what my friend from Canada says. Yeah, she says she's a grouchy Gus and I'm like I am a grouchy Gus. That's what my friend from Canada says. Yeah, she says she's a grouchy Gus and I'm like I like that. So I'm a grouchy Gus today because of the gluten and the dairy.
Speaker 1:I was a gassy Gus last night because of the gluten.
Speaker 3:Gross.
Speaker 2:Or what is it? Gassy, gus, gross, anyway, alliteration. So today we're yeah, we're gonna be talking to a guest and that's exciting.
Speaker 1:We are gonna have caroline. I believe her last name is pronounced charot um.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna ask her when she comes on, so that we can see if she needs to correct me, but I'm so excited to have Caroline. Caroline and I met for the first time when I went to a retreat that she co-hosted called she's Connected, in Bali, indonesia. That was in March. So Caroline is a yoga teacher and a meditation facilitator with a trauma-informed lens to support the holding of any body. She combines embodied bodily-based practices with mindfulness and nervous system regulation. Her biggest wish is to create safe spaces where people are aided in softening the walls that we place upon our hearts, allowing ourselves to feel an essential part of being a human. Human to human co-regulation is a pivotal part of a return home to ourselves, so she adores creating classes, containers, events and retreats in which community and connection is fostered. So I think this is going to be great.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think that sounds so cool. I love all of that, especially like the whole connection with people and just being really aware of your own body and yourself. And yeah, I just really think that's cool. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had just gotten off my crazy travel day in Bali where I like lost my luggage and I had been traveling for like 36 hours and I was just like exhausted and I had never met any of these women in person before. And I walked into the retreat and like I'm pretty sure, like within like the first hour of meeting Caroline, like she just like held me while I cried.
Speaker 1:And it was just like I had never felt like so safe and comfortable with someone I had just met ever. So, yeah, I'm I'm so grateful that she is coming on today.
Speaker 2:That's really cool. That's um, that's you know, sometimes you meet those people. I was just telling this to someone oh yeah, someone that um, that we're doing Digital Course Academy together and I was just telling her, like sometimes you meet people and you just instantly it's like your soul has found your soul partner, like you have found your person. I mean like you just it's like you know each other from some other realm and you just instantly connect. I love when that happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, so let's you want to get on with the show.
Speaker 1:Yep. So welcome Caroline. I'm so excited to have you on the podcast.
Speaker 3:How are you doing? Yes, good, just so grateful to be here. So, thank you, it feels really special.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course I'm so grateful that you agreed to come on yeah it's exciting.
Speaker 2:So tell a little bit, like our listeners, a little bit about who you are like, what you like, your bottoms up approach, like I'm interested in that.
Speaker 3:Like just a little bit about who you are to start with, okay, who I am such a broad question, yes, I should have given you some. I love it. I love it. If I was to you to use labels, um, it would be.
Speaker 3:I teach yoga and meditation and I really do believe that these are such pillars in my life. They really do set the foundation for how I show up in the world. And when you refer to the bottom-up approach, I really see these practices as a means of working with the body, which essentially is what I mean by a bottom-up approach. And there can be this illusion that meditation is all within the mind. I even think meditation starting with M, and then mind as well starting with M. We just think it's shoulders up, but it really is working with the body.
Speaker 3:But when I refer it back to myself, I have found that within my own personal experience, a lot of the work has been with uncovering, um, how to safely feel again. So I think we just really switched that off as coping mechanisms and a means to stay safe in this world, especially growing up. So a lot of my personal practices has steered towards the body and that's what I feel so passionate and sharing with other people. I feel like it's so needed. We're just so used to living up here and we need the mind to think and get to things on time, but we really don't practice being in here, and so I feel really, really passionate about sharing that with the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's beautiful, that's absolutely beautiful. Not to mention that if you're not really having that approach, it kind of comes back to haunt you in some way along the line if you're not taking care of your body or not paying attention to signs within your body like stress and even trauma and things like that, like we hold on to it. I mean, I actually did a yoga certification myself and I went through a teacher training. It was a really unbelievable experience and I realized that I held like a lot of stuff in my hip flexors and like our junk drawer.
Speaker 2:My teacher used to say it was like your junk drawer and I'm like oh my hips hurt, yeah, and as I've gotten older, the more I'd like if I'm not in tune with my body, the more like aches and pains will come up and I and I'm like I there's things I'm not dealing with Like I need to deal with these things and dealing with them and thinking about them, and whether it's with a mindset person or counseling or something like that, it is really helpful for me. It's a really, it's really beneficial. So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:I remember too, like when we were at the retreat, one thing that like I didn't even I'd never really thought about.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess like I mean you introduced me to the nervous system like regulation, understanding that. But I remember one thing that I have like held with me since the retreat that I like asked myself all the time Like you were like, so, like how do you feel? And then you were like OK, but like how does that feel? And then like how does that feel? And like keep going until like you're like OK, where is this like physically, emotionally? And it's just like a really interesting thing that I have taken with me and I even use that like with Jake, my boyfriend.
Speaker 1:I'm like OK, so how do you feel? And he's like I'm tired. I'm like OK, but how does that feel. And so I just feel like I don't know. Like everything that you teach regarding that is just it's like on a deeper level than what we would normally think about when we're explaining how we feel or what we're thinking um, and I would love if you could like kind of share like where, where did you start thinking that this was your passion? This is what you wanted to teach? Like, how did you start learning this?
Speaker 3:it's all through personal experience and trying different things on and I would, you know, try with just talk therapy, and it definitely has a place and it is very helpful. But there was always sort of a missing piece that I couldn't quite wrap my head around or understand. And since, being actually really young, I have always been really sensitive and I thought that was a not so good thing. And now I realize that it's actually my superpower and I'm really grateful that I have this ability to deeply feel. But what comes with that is I feel it all. So I'll feel that beautiful sense of joy and excitement and love and gratitude, and then also that deep sense of pain and grief and sadness.
Speaker 3:And there's been a time where I've actually blocked that out and I've numbed it um, out of it felt just too much to feel and I didn't have the awareness, the understanding, um, healthier coach mechanisms to really be with it.
Speaker 3:So I did just numb it, whether it was drinking or even like Netflix, you know, your phone, anything at all be lots of numbing.
Speaker 3:And so I guess, having actually had experienced the not feeling, I realized that, um, I want to live a full life of being in this human body and to be in this human body, it is to deeply feel, to feel it all. And if we can't really feel the not so nice stuff I say in quotation marks we don't really have this ability to feel all of the other beautiful joy, excitement, whatever it may be. So it's been through my own experience, and then also the communities that you're in and the connections that you form and the people that you do work with and allowing them to understand their body, feel safe in their body, to feel again. Um, I realize that it is so, so needed and we are all different, so we need different modalities, different connections. But one thing we do have in common is that we all have thoughts, we all have feelings, we all have sensations. So let's learn to meet them and work with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. And one thing you said too about like feeling like as a sensitive person. I mean, like I can speak for both my mom and I. We are both very sensitive people.
Speaker 1:And I think like that can be looked at like we're almost taught like that's bad, especially like as women, because it's like used as like a weapon in some ways, like oh well, she's so sensitive because she feels like this or that, so I love that, like you're taking that and just turning that completely upside down and being like this is like a superpower that you have, like this is something that you you have as a gift that you can take and bring out into the world, and this is how you can use it, even when it doesn't feel the greatest sometimes. So I just I love that.
Speaker 2:No, it's a beautiful way of looking at it. And also one of the things that you mentioned as a numbing thing that I never really thought of until you said that was was like Netflix. Like I'm like, did she just say Netflix? I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that. I'm like I'm doing that with Netflix. Like I'm like, did she just say Netflix? I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that. I'm like I'm doing that with Netflix.
Speaker 2:And because I'm because I don't do some of those other things most of the time to numb, but I definitely use TV as a distractor sometimes, and and I guess that's when I need to kind of ask myself what am I trying to avoid? Like I and one of the reasons I actually did the yoga training to start with it because it was hot yoga was so to like learn to be like comfortable and uncomfortable and, and so I wanted to to like figure out how to do that and how to open myself up to it, and one of the things even that you just mentioned that just made me think of that like we were doing well, I learned that I like don't, like, I'm like constantly trying to protect my heart and um, and so we did this pose and they had their foot in my back and I remember like you were just couldn't be any more open and I just started sobbing like I just.
Speaker 2:it was like such a release of of emotion and it really is unbelievable how much you you do store in your own body and like how you take all, all of that along with you. So I'd like the idea of thinking about really like feeling your feelings because I also know what you mean by like I can. I can remember specifically when I was a media specialist in a school, like walking down the hall and being able to feel the energy coming out of the classrooms and feel like the kids were in such a they were having such a hard time and I could just feel their pain and I'm like I felt like all of my nerve endings were like going crazy because it was so much at one time and I remember feeling like, oh, my goodness, I can't take all of this on. It feels so heavy and so hard. So I think that's interesting, how sometimes you really feel those things and other times you're numbing them somehow.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, yeah you know you're numbing them somehow, Absolutely yeah. And I find it interesting when you say you know there's a time where you finally opened your heart and that was beginning with like a physical way and how that connects emotionally and energetically. And my, oh my, we walk around day to day just putting walls and guards up over our hearts.
Speaker 3:And it makes a lot of sense. You know, we are just trying to protect ourselves from many different situations, people and things, and it actually feels kind of more familiar for us at times just to keep it closed. It feels safer that way. But to open it, as you say, can also be a beautiful, beautiful thing yeah, I need to do it more often because, as I'm listening, to you.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, I did that, then this, that was like eight years ago. Um no, I feel like I've my, my natural instinct has kind of gone back to I'm gonna minimize myself, I'm gonna um, protect, I'm going to minimize myself. I'm going to protect, I'm going to protect, yeah. So I think, yeah, I feel like that's something I need to look at.
Speaker 1:I've noticed that about myself actually recently, like it's something that I I was like you know, I feel I was like looking at myself in the mirror and I'm like trying to get more comfortable just like with like my body, just like being a body, and I'm like you get more comfortable just like with like my body, just like being a body, and I'm like you know, like my posture is like a little bit like this and.
Speaker 1:I'm like and I wasn't trying to like look at myself and judge myself and be like, oh well, you look this or that. It was more of just like I'm kind of slouching, like I am short person, like, but I'm also not like super tall, but I'm like why am I almost like having my shoulders go down and making myself a little bit smaller? And it was like I realized that, like I the things that I have struggled with with my own confidence, with the way that I look, with the way that I feel I'm like I'm almost, with the way that I look, with the way that I feel I'm like I'm almost, not almost I am putting myself in a position to where I literally am making myself smaller and like making myself put down physically every day. And I I was talking to Jake about this and I was like I need help because I'm like it's gonna take some time for me to like remember to like stand up straight and, and I was like, because it even feels weird, I'm like I'm doing it right now. How does I do? I look like I'm just like sticking on my chest and he's like no, you look like normal.
Speaker 1:And I was like okay, so if you notice that, like, I'm like like shrinking myself, I want you to like gently tell me that, because, so, if you notice that I'm shrinking myself, I want you to gently tell me that Because I want to remember that I'm allowed to take up space and I'm allowed to feel in that space and to exist in that space, just how I am. So that's just yeah. I don't know. It's something that I've noticed recently and I've been really trying to work on. Even when I take Daisy my out for a walk, I'm like I'm gonna have a really good posture walking out on the sidewalk and like, if a car passes by, like they're gonna think she's really confident and she like knows what she's doing and it's. It's made a mental difference with that change too yeah, yeah, yeah I um, I think that's so interesting.
Speaker 2:I I definitely feel like I'm doing that, and the more I'm listening and thinking about this, I'm like I'm doing this a lot. I'm like avoiding connection at all. Like, even when I go into the grocery store, I'm like I got my AirPods in. I'm like don't talk to me. I'm listening to a podcast. I don't think I'm being rude, I don't. I'm not trying to be rude to people, but it's like I'm avoiding any kind of contact, which is strange to think about, like why or where that is coming from. I guess being hurt, feeling hurt, being scared of being hurt again, I don't know. I think that's an interesting prospect. So I like the standing up straight. I used to teach my students we would do the superhero pose before we take a test. I'm like you know, all right, so we would stand and like we would do it for a whole 60 minutes. Everyone would be, you know, standing and, and then they empowered and then you know we would go into whatever difficult thing we had to do.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, with the kind of people that you're working with, caroline, do you would you say that, like they come to you and they know that they're feeling like all of these things, that they're maybe feeling guarded or they're feeling feeling, um, like they know things are like not really regulated or they don't know the tools, like how would you say they like come to you with these things?
Speaker 3:so a lot of um, the settings I work with people at the moment is more like in group settings as well, within um, the yoga studio and retreats, and then you do have the more personal connections with that um, and so, yeah, a lot of people, um, I guess, do.
Speaker 3:It really does start with awareness, and awareness is something that we do need to learn to cultivate and it's a practice, um, and we can be told all of these things like I, I have anxiety or um, I have depression or whatever it may be, um, and that is, it's totally allowed, it's um, it's totally all good these labels, but we really really do think of it as this is me, so it's like I am anxiety, rather than at times, I experience moments of anxiety because it's just a part of us, it's something that we experience here and there, and we begin to so strongly identify with these things which can make us actually feel quite small, as you were saying before, and it can make us feel like we are broken and we're not worthy, when really innately, we're all absolutely whole, and I think what a lot of us have forgotten is that we are naturally whole and we naturally have this innate intelligence within us, and we just forget that.
Speaker 3:It gets really clouded over at times because there are all these labels and these things that we should be doing and we feel like we're doing wrong because there's just so many, so much noise out there that it feels like we're never really living up to these expectations that we place upon ourselves or society places upon us. And so what I would say is a lot of people that I work alongside have just forgotten that they are naturally whole and we just really really believe these things to be so true about ourselves that we think we are broken, when really that's not okay at all and people just need to be reminded. And I think also, the most beautiful thing can be co-regulation and having a connection where you were just so seen and heard and there's no judgment, no critiquing, no shame around any part that we dislike or, um, don't enjoy about ourselves. So I think, yeah, that at the essence, a reminder that we are whole yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that so much and I think, like you are just the perfect person to be in the position to guide people through that.
Speaker 1:Um, I felt like when I was at the retreat with you and Jaden and Des, it was like just like the, the energy that you provide is like this space to like be held, and like that was something that you had said when we were there and I was like that's just like the best way to put it like to really just truly like be nurtured and held for just being like period, and it was just such a a beautiful experience to be a part of and to also watch other women who were there, that we're all having all these different kinds of experiences and we're coming from different backgrounds, but everybody is like innately craving like the same thing, like as as being, like just being a human.
Speaker 1:Um, and it's kind of wild to think about because I think we go through day to day and we scroll through social media and we see people all over of like. We're like, oh, we're so different from them or we don't have this, and we're just like constantly in that like comparison cycle but, when you really like, sit down with it at the end of the day like we're all.
Speaker 1:We're all wanting love and care and acceptance, like that's that's really all like we're looking for. So it's like we're.
Speaker 2:We're all the same, we're just different from where it came from yeah, also I like the part about reminding them that they're not broken. That really resonates with me a lot and you seem to me like I know that you are. I think you're. Did you say she was around your age, emily?
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, I don't know how old you are.
Speaker 2:I'm like you seem very, seem very young 24, yeah, okay, so we're the same age, yeah yeah, so you're the same age and so to me it just feels you're so, you seem so wise and like I feel like I could easily trust you, which has been a struggle for me.
Speaker 2:Um, not my whole life I've. I've been pretty like open with people, but later I have had some trust issues. But I don't feel that way with you. You automatically have this energy that makes it feel safe and I'm just like how and I mean I guess this is true of you're so young you don't have these, this whole truckload of baggage that you've carried along your journey, and I just think it's so interesting and also very inspirational that you have come to this at this age, like at this younger age, and it hasn't taken you a lifetime to. I mean, I'm sure it feels like a lifetime to you, to both of you, but but you know, when you're like twice that age or more, it feels like I don't know it's very impressive. I can't I can't find the words Very impressive.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting that you say like it doesn't come with like a truckload of baggage, because I like, while it's definitely like it's, there's no comparing like what you've experienced versus what I've experienced, versus what Caroline has experienced and I can't speak for you, caroline, from this, but I know for me that I feel like the things that I have experienced and the way that I have become who I am and how I hold myself is from the things that have hurt me and that I want to learn from and that I've grown from, and that I've interacted with different kinds of people to to make it better for my future. I also I think that we're fortunate in a way of the. The world we live in now is a little bit more open to learning how to heal sooner and to like, take care of your spirit and your body and like the overall, like essence of what you're doing. That's more of something that's talked about than it was when you were 24 like that's not something that was really like a more.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't think it's.
Speaker 2:I wish it was more common, but I think that it is something that people are more yeah, definitely aware no you're right, and I don't mean to minimize the things that you, that either one of you, have experienced. That's not. That's not how I intended. Yeah, um, just so. I just want to make sure that I'm clear.
Speaker 1:I didn't think you were.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely don't feel that way. I feel I think's. I think it's more of like myself feeling like, wow, I wish that I had the, the knowledge or the self-awareness at your age, like how different my life would have ended up. If you know, if I had been really aware of those kinds of things at at 24, I mean, life would have been different. Not that I would want it to be any different than it is, but I just I don't know. I appreciate that wisdom at the point where you are.
Speaker 3:I really believe, too, that we each just have different soul paths and um, part of me actually knows that as a child, I did have to grow up quite quickly, and so I'm not sure if that's a great thing or not so great thing. Who knows um? But I do feel like too. We each just have unique soul paths and, um, some of us are maybe just meant to evolve a little more quickly than others, or we have different things to do in this lifetime. Okay, you need to evolve now so you can do this thing and then the next thing and whatever it may be. Um, but yeah, I find the age thing to be. It's so interesting.
Speaker 2:It's just a number yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, what would you say to someone if they, if they said, if they actually told you right up front, like I feel closed off, like what would be the first thing, what would be the first thing that they, they could do?
Speaker 3:I think, firstly, an acknowledgement for having that awareness, uh, to notice about themselves and to speak up about it. Um, I find that is just such a um, a gift to self. And then, with that, start to practice slowing down and tuning inwards towards yourself. And that can look like many different ways, whether it's meditation, whether it's, you know, going to a yoga class. That in itself is slowing down and even having that accountability to start with, and that can even set the foundation for your day ahead, moving into it a little slower, removing some things off the calendar and not having it so jam-packed. Um, you know, to not be doing and achieving and driving all the time, because as we slow down, we're not distracting anymore and we're not overriding our system. So we have this ability to notice like, oh okay, that's there, and beginning to feel into whatever is there, just the reality of our experience, without trying to get rid of it or just move on without it. So I'd say, just start by slowing down, creating space, creating space, and it's easier said than done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, creating space, and it's easier said than done. Yeah, yeah, but but it is a good.
Speaker 1:It is a good reminder because, even though it sounds, it just it doesn't.
Speaker 2:It sounds simple it's not easy, it's not simple, like it's a yeah, it's definitely, especially if you that has become like kind of a crutch that you lean on, is like the constant, busy, busy, busy and I don't have to feel, yeah, where I, where I am, I know, I really. I appreciate that I wasn't asking for a friend. I was asking for myself so.
Speaker 3:I love that, yeah, and with that, also asking for support, because sometimes, when we've been so eager to keep going and moving, it's because we feel a bit uncomfortable at times to be with these sensations and emotions and parts of us, um, and so, sometimes, to have that co-regulation, that connection, someone also shine some light on just holding you and your essence, to be able to feel, um, that can be incredibly powerful, like I haven't done everything alone, and the support I have had, though, has been to help me build that relationship with myself, so I can tend to those things with myself, and also with the safety of someone else too, when need be.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:I think that's huge community is so huge, like it's. That's something that I've like within the past couple of years since we moved out of. We were living more south, jake and I, and then we moved a little more north and now we're connected with our church more and um, like more people that are in, involved in that, and like finding like our people to be able to go to them and be like. This is what I'm dealing with and I need you for this and also holding that space for them too, and realizing, like how important a community is just in our day-to-day. Like as humans we weren't made to do anything by ourselves. Like we were, let's just, literally, we weren't made that way. So like leaning into the fact that we have people around us for a reason and like allowing it to. For them to be there is such a powerful thing so yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just to be seen and heard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, incredibly powerful, yeah, for sure oh, I'm so glad that you came on here. I feel like I could just like ask you questions and listen to you talk all day long.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, we're going to ask you a couple lightning round questions. Um, yeah, and then um after that, I would love if you could just like basically tell us a little bit about the things you got going on, so like the retreat, anything that you're offering, stuff like that, so that way people know where to find you and how to get their hands on all that good stuff. So all right. So let's see. Okay, on a scale of one to 10, how good of a driver are you?
Speaker 3:Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 1:Oh, isn't it funny when someone asks you to rate yourself with a skill, oh my gosh my ego's like oh my goodness um, I want to say an eight.
Speaker 3:I actually um yeah, I rate myself quite highly with my driving. I can parallel park Um, that's relatively well, and so that's a skill. Yeah, Um you can drive manual and I thoroughly enjoy driving. It's actually quite a happy place for me. Just I need to be in, be in your own four walls.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Four walls, I guess so, and I always have really good cries, good laughs good music. It's the best time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1:I feel the same way. I used to actually like driving a lot more. I was in a car accident in 2019. And since then, like there had been some like I was a little shaken, but I feel like now I'm like, yeah, like I could be in my car and just like listen to a podcast or listen to music, like it just feels good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, great question, I love that. Okay, next one who was your first celebrity crush? Oh my goodness, oh my gosh, that would have been Taylor Lautner. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, um yeah, twilight and he had the same birthday as me, so I was like, oh my gosh I think I had a poster on my wall, yeah, so funny yeah, yeah, definitely him
Speaker 1:yeah, oh my goodness, that's funny now he's like married to another person named taylor taylor and taylor yeah wow, they're so cute. Yeah, oh yeah, I need to check that out.
Speaker 3:Don't get too jealous, though, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like the sweetest person, so it's like hard to be jealous of her because I'm like they're just like, they just seem like they're meant to be and I'm like, all right okay, fine, you can marry her I guess, okay, so last question for you knowing what you know now, what advice would you give to your 18 year old self?
Speaker 3:18. That was a interesting year. I would say to her to trust herself and that feeling that doesn't make sense, it doesn't have many words, to trust that feeling, um, and to let that feeling guide you and that it's okay to not need to fit in and live into the societal norms and you're safe to go and live life in a way that feels really true and meaningful for you, even if you don't know what that is yet. But there was an inkling, so just follow that inkling.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's good. That would have been helpful for my 18 year old self for sure.
Speaker 1:Helpful yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, so tell us where we can find you tell us. Tell a little bit about the retreat too, so that people know that that's coming up in Peru.
Speaker 3:That's exciting so exciting, so exciting, um. So, yeah, next retreat is in Peru, may 2025. Um, jaden and I went there last year after our retreats, um, and we actually just meditated under the mountains and we knew that we would be back. And it is such a special place um, quite hard to put it into words because the energy of the place just feels so electrical and gentle, yet powerful at the same time. Um, and feel really excited to bring this retreat together and, yeah, the flair of cyclical living from Jaden and then more of the nervous system, regulation and just learning to feel safely again within yourself is what I bring to the retreat and the combination is really special, along with the connection community and the environment, as you'd know. So that feels really, really exciting and I can't wait for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and if you, are listening and you're like that is something I need, then we'll have the link to that below so you can check that out, um, and I will also link all of caroline's, so if you have questions, you can always ask her. But, yeah, I think that, like investing in yourself in that way is a huge deal. It's something that I think everyone should do at least once. It honestly like when I went to Bali, like it changed my life, like it was.
Speaker 1:That sounds like to somebody who's like, never done something like that. It's like that's a little dramatic, like chill, but it really isn't like it. It truly like you go and like it's just something you can't explain. It's like it's magic. That's the best way that I can explain it. So, um, if, if you're looking for something like that, caroline and Jaden are the best people to do that through, speaking from experience. So, definitely check out that retreat and check out all the things that Caroline has to offer. So, yeah, thank you for coming on and sharing your beautiful self with us. Yeah, that's all we got for you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much for having me. It's been so special. The two of you together Amazing. And Em just keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, you're amazing, thank you.
