Mind Your Heart
Welcome to "Mind Your Heart," this cozy corner of the internet where Trina Deboree and Emily Reneé —your real-life Lorelei and Rory Gilmore duo—come together each week to chat about everything from mental health to the daily nuances of life. In each episode, we peel back the layers of topics like anxiety, depression, PTSD, and eating disorders with warmth, understanding, and a touch of humor (because otherwise, this just sounds depressing)!
Trina, an educator turned entrepreneur and mental health advocate, joins forces with her daughter Emily, a mental health coach and anorexia survivor, to share their journeys and insights in a way that feels like a heart-to-heart with old friends. The goal? To spark conversations that truly matter and to create a space where laughter meets healing.
Let's navigate the ups and downs of mental health together, making each day brighter and each challenge a little lighter. Grab your emotional support water bottle, put in your headphones, and join us while we mind our hearts for chats that comfort and inspire.
Mind Your Heart
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Who knew a Halloween wedding and early Christmas decorating could offer so much insight into managing life's chaos? Join us as we share the highs and lows of our recent adventures, from amusing missteps to finding solace in holiday traditions. Discover how the simple joy of a festive shower curtain becomes a beacon of hope amidst the whirlwind of post-election emotions and holiday hustle. We promise you'll find laughter and maybe even some inspiration in our anecdotes.
Creating this podcast together has been an incredible journey that has not only strengthened our bond but also revealed so much about our mother-daughter relationship. Dive into our reflections on how this shared project has given us dedicated time to connect and a unique platform to express our differing perspectives. As we navigate through scheduling challenges and recording mishaps, we find humor and joy in this journey, sharing those precious moments with you, our audience.
Prioritizing mental health and embracing individuality are themes that resonate deeply through our stories. We open up about our experiences with education, parenting, and communication, shaped by figures like Sir Ken Robinson and the "do it afraid" philosophy. Learn how we balance mental health needs with societal expectations, sharing lessons learned from choosing regular math over advanced classes and the power of resilience. Together, we explore the evolution of our communication and the dynamic dance of roles, as we invite you to reflect on what mental well-being and personal growth mean in your own life.
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Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your favorite corner of the internet where we chat about all things mental health.
Speaker 2:I'm Emily and I'm Trina. Together, we're like your real-life Lorelai and Rory Gilmore. Each week, we'll bring you real conversations about the world of mental health and we will peel back layers on topics like anxiety, depression and much more.
Speaker 1:We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff, the everyday stuff and everything in between. So grab your emotional support water bottle I know we have ours. Find your comfiest chair or keep your eyes on the road and let's get into it. Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Join us as we mind our hearts and hopefully make minding yours a little easier.
Speaker 1:Welcome back, welcome to Mind your Heart. How are?
Speaker 2:you. I'm hanging in there. How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm also hanging in there. When will this be?
Speaker 2:I feel like this will be airing like In November, yeah, this month, yeah, late November, yeah, be airing like in November, yeah, this month, yeah, late November, yeah, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So we just got done with the election, so we are handling those emotions um and there's just been a lot going on this past. I feel like this past two weeks for me has been a full month, like it feels like yeah, insanity. Like I'm just like my house is a complete disgusting mess. Like it looks like people are like squatting in our house. Basically, sweetie, that sucks it's such a mess?
Speaker 1:I mean like when? So on Halloween we had a Halloween party and Jake had scheduled you know this like he scheduled the wrong dates to go to our friend's wedding in Atlanta, so we thought it was going to be the following weekend, but it was actually that it was Halloween weekend. So we found that out. He had to change all the flights. We lost a bunch of money, um, but it was like we had the halloween party and then we had to leave the next day. So like I didn't really get to clean up from the party.
Speaker 1:So the house is still a mess, just from the party itself um wow and then, um, and also to top it off, that night we did not put up the trash can, so our trash can in our garage was like overflowing with trash, um, and then we had to leave friday. I still had to work, like both thursday and friday. We left friday night, got there friday late, friday night, had the wedding Saturday, had to leave the wedding early to get back on a flight home because we were both scheduled to well, jake was running the event that was happening Sunday morning at church and I was on social media team because it was baptism Sunday, so and I was the only one scheduled for that, so like we both had to be there. Um, and then, yeah, it was just that weekend alone.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, that's a lot. No, it's it, I agree. Every time I look down and I'm like it's only, it's the eighth. It doesn't feel like it. Actually this episode comes out on the week of Thanksgiving. So, um, yeah, it doesn't. It feels like I can't believe only eight days have gone by. It feels like like at least a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a it's a crazy.
Speaker 1:But October flew. October felt like it was just like a blink of an eye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, october was um. Yeah, it was crazy. I'm already decorating for Christmas and I have never decorated for Christmas before Thanksgiving and you did last year.
Speaker 1:I did yeah, you did last year because you were like I just want to decorate for Christmas and I was like just, it's all Amy Lemons's fault, that's, that's who I'm blaming, my friend Amy.
Speaker 2:She starts decorating, like right in the very beginning of November and I'm like I can't, I can't. And then I'm like you know what, maybe I can't because I'm not having. You know, I won't be here for Thanksgiving. I'll be in California yeah and so I am like what's the point of keeping it decorated for fall now? I did decorate for fall pretty early, so like right at the beginning of October.
Speaker 2:So, um, so I think that I'm ready for Christmas, but I have gone like all out. I have a shower, a Christmas shower curtain. I just ordered another. This is how I'm like coping with life is spending money that I don't have. Um, and that is you know. I bought a shower curtain for the bathroom. I've got new towels for the bathroom. I bought a comforter Christmas comforter for Jackson's room. I bought a shower curtain for the bathroom. I've got new towels.
Speaker 1:For the bathroom I bought a comforter Christmas comforter for Jackson's room.
Speaker 2:I bought it. It's very cute, isn't it so cute? I got it on Amazon, it's so cute. And then I got another one for myself um, from Walmart actually, and it's very cute. And I got a little tree for my room and it is, it's yeah, it's beginning to look like Christmas upstairs and I haven't even gotten out the decorations. That is for tomorrow, so I am so looking forward to just decorating the house. And, in fact, I was on the phone earlier today and I was getting highly agitated and so I just like started getting my, like doing my comforter and taking out and putting the tree, the little tree up. And yeah, yes, I'm like I have to distract myself, I'm just I'm. Yeah, my emotions are all over the place.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, no, at last. I don't remember if it was last year, the year before I had decorated for Christmas like super early also, but then, like by the time Christmas came, I was like I want this to put away, like I was ready to put Christmas away. So I told myself I was like I'm not going to do that again because I want it to be a little bit shorter, like I want to be able to enjoy it when it's actually like December and on Christmas, because I remember I think it was last year like we like took down Christmas like a day or two after Christmas like.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm done.
Speaker 2:I always feel that way, though, so it doesn't matter. So for me, like I always feel that way, it's like the next day, all right, it's time to take it down, and even if it's only been up, you know, for a couple of weeks, and so now I'm like well, now I have longer for it to be up, and and then it will come down. Probably the same, around the same. I'm not ready.
Speaker 1:I'm not ready for Christmas. I have no idea what anybody wants, or I don't even know what I want. I'm like I don't even. Like you've asked me, jake has asked me. I'm like, oh no, I have no idea and I have no idea what to get anybody else. And Jake, he even said he was like you know, like he is, mr Prepared for Christmas in April, but like he's like this is the least prepared I've been for Christmas ever. Oh wow, yeah, I think it's because he's focused on like engagement stuff.
Speaker 1:But I, but I'm like I, yeah, I feel the same way. I don't know what to get anybody.
Speaker 2:Well, I have gotten you one thing, one small thing, and I got Jackson one small thing, and that's it. I don't have anything else for anyone. A bunch of Christmas decor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've gotten zero gifts for anyone. I got my friend Grace a birthday present, but that's in November.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know. Anyway, All right. So today we are going to take some questions. This episode is specifically questions. There's questions to you, there's questions to me, there's questions to both of us. So I am going to select a few and we'll take it from there. Does it sound good?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want. Are you going to read the questions? I'm not going to read any. Okay, cool, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:So, okay, here's the first question, and this one is for both of us. So it says how has doing this podcast together impacted your relationship as mother and daughter?
Speaker 1:I feel like I have to think. Do you have an answer?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, then you go first. All right, so I may not have like a scripted answer but I yeah, no, I know, if you're ready to answer, then you go first, I haven't even really looked at the questions all the way, to tell you the truth.
Speaker 2:I just opened them up and I was like okay, so, and like categorized and was all set. But I think I mean I already felt, you know, like we have a special bond, so that already, like there's nothing that has changed in that case for me. But you know know, the whole reason why I wanted to do this podcast was so that we had at least some time where we were like we're gonna get together, we have to get together and, um, although here we are, on zoom, I know, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, this, like we just said, this month has been wild, so this was just the easier option.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had to do it this way, but, um, but normally we don't we come together at one of our houses and we record, um, and we are able to do that thanks to Jake and um, and so it is like a time, but I know I'm going to get a chance to spend with you, and so that is something that I look forward to, even though there are times where I'm like, oh gosh, we have to record, we have to record, so, yeah, so I think, and also I really have enjoyed having the guests, the guests that we've had and not all those episodes have come out yet, but people will know by the time this one comes, the just watching you and like talk and interview and just engage with other people, and it's just, I don't know, I love it. It just makes me so proud of you. You are, yeah, you're such a like. Being able to see you as an adult like watching, yeah, it makes me feel emotional.
Speaker 2:Seeing you as an adult is it's like you have exceeded every expectation that I could have ever had, and I never like wanted to put high expectations or expectations that were difficult on you, and so I try to like, let you just be who you are and I am like just blown away by who you are. I mean, you've always blown me away from the moment you entered the world. Who you are, I mean you've always blown me away from the moment you entered the world. But, um, but just watching you grow and change and iterate and you know make new decisions and do new things and, um, you know travel to Bali by yourself and you know plan to go to Peru and like all these I don't know, and then just watching your love story unfold with Jake and then just watching your love story unfold with Jake, just the whole thing has been such a, such a gift, such a gift.
Speaker 1:Thank you, that was a really good answer. I feel like my answer's going to pale in comparison to that.
Speaker 2:Well, this is not a competition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I know, but I'm just like wow, thank you, thank you. I feel like I don't know, like whenever we started the podcast, like I was excited, but I guess, like I didn't even realize like how it's really interesting to me to be able to hear like both of our perspectives on things like in detail in a way where, like we're not just like having a conversation with each other, but you're also like talking like to the audience, like so, like you're explaining like more in depth about like the way that you're thinking um whereas like, like, if we're just having a conversation, like obviously you're not fully like explaining the way, because, like, we're just talking and I know you.
Speaker 1:But I think it's interesting to be able to like see how we both think together and separately and like what that looks like when we come together.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I don't know, and I also I think it's really cool, like the response that we've gotten about doing it together like people are always like, oh, like that's so special, like I love that you're doing that with your mom, or like you guys have such a good connection, and I'm like, yeah, like it's true, like, and it's cool. It's cool for like people to also like see that, because, like you said, like it has always been like that, like we've always been like very close and I used to like explain it to people, like I, like when I think I said this on the podcast before like I'm like when I was in high school, like I would go home and like tell you stuff and people would be like you told your mom that and I'd be like, yeah, like I tell my mom everything. Whereas, like now, it's like people actually like see how we communicate. I'm like I don't have to explain it Like you can, you can feel it and see it yourself. So I think that's cool.
Speaker 1:I, yeah, it's all, it's all been good, like everything's been good. It is funny to see like how, um, like you get stressed about, like, like smaller things sometimes and I'm like it's all right, like we're going to be okay things sometimes and I'm like it's all right, like we're gonna be okay, yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker 2:But it's also interesting to be explaining it to an audience, because even when I listen and I know you don't, oh, it drives me crazy. Um, I, even when I listen back, I'm like, oh, I didn't mean it like that. But I do eventually get a chance to say I didn't mean it like that, but it's just interesting and you're funny. Because there was one time where I felt like I said something that almost sounded insulting to you and you were like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever you said. And I was like, well, she handled that. Well, you didn't like get upset or mad, you just like went with the flow and kind of explained, and I was like I didn't mean it like that. It definitely came out like that, but I'm glad you didn't take it like that. Or, if you did, you did a good job of not like reacting. So, um, yeah, but I mean you normally, you're normally like that. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I do. Yeah, I think it's been, I think it's been fun. Yeah, I agree. All right, let's go to another one. Okay, so let's do. Let's do now, let's do one, that's whoops. Let's do one, I'll do one just for myself.
Speaker 2:So how has your background in education and mental health advocacy influenced the way you approach conversations with Emily? Ooh, um, I'm interested to hear this answer. Loved education and loved teaching. Really, the, though what was at the forefront has always been children and and me wanting to have my own children. I mean, I wanted to be a mom more than I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be a mom and have babies and and be able to be home with them. But you know, we've talked about this before, where I feel like that job was actually not for that, because it left me so exhausted and depleted that I didn't feel like I had the energy that I wanted to have with you and Jackson, you know, focusing on literature and like making sure there was lots of books in the house and I was constantly reading to you in my belly, and like read to you on day one. The first book I ever read to you was um, dear Mr Blueberry, which the main character's name was Emily, and um, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I just it was like I'm like I didn't even know that, like I just picked it up, just happened to be one of the books that I had received from like friends or whatever, and I'm like, oh, this is for Emily and um, and so like that kind of stuff was good. But then you know, as time went on and it became like there were I don't know if there was pressure on you as far as like doing well in school. You know you were a teacher's kid and um, and all that kind of craziness that goes on, but um, but as I started getting like frustrated with the system and feeling like we were hurting kids, I was like I started to notice that there were cracks in your education and how you were feeling about yourself as a reader, as a thinker and all those things. But I will say like finding Sir Ken Robinson was like such a gift. I just absolutely love him.
Speaker 2:Going to the technology conference, listening to him speak, talking about children and their element about finding things that they. Talking about children and their element about finding things that they're passionate about and finding things that they were really good at, was very inspiring for me and I really it spoke to me on a different level and he talked about how all of our paths don't go in one way and they're not all linear and we and not everyone has to go to college. And that was a huge shift for me because I really thought thought that you know everyone, you know my kids are going to college, like we're raising children that are going to go to college and then they'll get a job and whatever, and um, and so it was a big shift for me to be like it doesn't have to be this way and there's other things, and so I was able to accept the decisions that you made, openly, um, and encouragingly, I feel like because of that, because of having that background, but um, that was also a shift for you.
Speaker 1:For you too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like if you think about it, because I'm like that also.
Speaker 1:I feel like that sparked like you really starting to be like I'm going to do my own thing, not as a teacher. Like that started that mindset too. So I think that changed a lot for you.
Speaker 2:You're right and that's when I actually was getting my master's at Full Sail. It was really Full Sail that opened my eyes because it was all about like multiple intelligence and collaboration and critical thinking and all these things and I, like fell in love with that and also I realized I didn't want to just be a cog in a machine. I wanted and I don't think that, I don't think that teachers are just cogs in a machine. I think that's how our teachers are treated and it's easy to go along with that, because you are scared and you, um, you feel like you have no other choice. I thought you froze for a second. That was a long I yeah, I did freeze.
Speaker 1:Oh, you did. Okay, we're not closed for that long, okay, um yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think that, um, okay, yeah, so I think that I think it was a shift and so, but it but it's. But that was all kind of inspired really because of you and Jackson, which again were like the forefront for me. So watching cracks for you and then Jackson just completely not be able to handle the system was just a different was, yeah. So I guess, you know, in a way it like was a massive part, but in another way it was, I don't know, maybe not. Yeah, it was still always about you and Jackson for me.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, yeah, that's interesting all right, let's do one for you okay oh, that's a good one. What's one thing you've learned from your mom that has shaped your perspective on life and mental health?
Speaker 1:well, the first thing that comes to mind is like the do it afraid thing, which I feel like I've like talked about like a lot, um, but that's definitely like just probably one of the biggest things I don't know like. I feel like that's such a huge life lesson that you've taught me of just like that sometimes, like you're not gonna not be afraid, like it's just gonna be scarier, it's just gonna be hard, but like you can still do it anyways, and that like applies to literally everything, whether it be mental health or it be just like day-to-day life or business or relationships or whatever. Like doing it afraid and like being okay with accepting like how you feel and not like judging your feelings, but allowing yourself to like move forward and keep going. So, yeah, I feel like that's probably the thing that I always think of.
Speaker 1:The other thing that came to mind was like be a duck, like I just thought of that just because you said that to me recently um which, like for anyone that has not ever heard the be a duck saying, um, it's like the idea that, like a duck's like feathers are, like they repel water, basically, so like water goes down their back and just like goes right off. Um, and thinking about like being a duck and being like just letting it, letting it roll off your back and be okay to keep moving on, which is kind of like in the same vein as do it afraid? Um, so, yeah, those are. Those are the two things that I would say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then there's another part of this that I was wondering if you feel the way to, because the question asked about, like mental health advocacy, that is always like that's been a thing that I've struggled with. So when you struggled, like it was like I'm like this is something we need to figure out. I don't, I don't, I don't think I wanted to in the beginning. I feel like I was in the middle of such chaos and like trying to get my master's and all that stuff at the same time and not really really wanting to know what was happening, and then realizing I think she's in trouble, like I think she's having a hard time in sixth grade and um, and what, what can I do about this? And one of the things is changing schools. Like I got to get her out of the school. I got to be willing to, um, to, you know, go to a charter school, which, again, as a public school teacher, you're, you know that's very like oh, no, and um, and so I was like it doesn't matter, like it doesn't matter what people are saying about anything. What matters is her, the way she feels.
Speaker 2:And then another aspect was I remember when we were getting divorced, when your dad and I were getting divorced and, um, your guidance counselor in high school was like you, you know, you got to put her. It was like algebra one or two or whatever it was. And they were like she has to be in this class. She, you know it's going to be hard SATs and all that. And I was like no, like it doesn't. I don't care. Like what, what you're saying. I understand that that might impact her, but she has too heavy of a load and there's too much going on in her personal life. I don't want to put that pressure on her. So I made decisions like that with you, based on mental health first, not academics. Mental health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I remember. I don't remember what grade it was. I feel like it was maybe eighth grade where they wanted me to go into like an algebra.
Speaker 1:Like something like that was a high school level math class, ok, and and so I feel like they originally, like had placed me in something like that, but the thing is, is that I really wanted to continue being in musical theater. Like that was a class that I like, really enjoyed and I liked, and I wanted to keep the same teacher and, um you needed some stability too, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I like I had done that since I had gotten to that school, um, so I was like I really want to keep that. And they were like the only way you can keep that is if you do just like regular math, like it's not going to be advanced, it's not a high school class, like it's literally just called like math, like, and I was like cool, like I want to do that, um, and like I ended up doing that and I remember remember like it feeling like so good to like just be, in a class that was just like.
Speaker 1:It was just okay for me to like be in the just normal range, like it didn't have to be like above all these expectations and I didn't have to strive for like excellence all the time. Like I was just like like doing the best I could like in a math class and I loved that teacher. She was like such a good teacher and like I like made friends in that class because people like they were a little more relaxed, like no one was like focused on their future all the time like and I got to be in musical theater like and so, and that was like really important to me. So, yeah, like I do remember that. Like I remember going to because they had told you that and then I also had to go like in person to the counselor and be like this is my choice. Like put me in the regular math class and give me musical theater. And she was like are you sure? And I'm like yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Like just give me the freaking class dude like I don't we don't need to have this conversation over and over again yeah, it was um.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy. All right, let's do, let's go backwards. So one more for you um. How has your journey as a I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like I don't know that like it has changed the way that I communicate with you, because I feel like I almost in a sense, like have always been a mental health coach. I know that sounds like kind of silly, but like I I just feel like that's how I have always communicated, like with people in general. So I don't necessarily know that like that position has like changed the way that I talk to you. I do think that like that itself hasn't changed things, but like just over like the past, like probably like three, maybe four years, like the way that we communicate with each other and like the like the dynamic has like grown into something different um.
Speaker 1:I don't think that has anything to do with, like, being a mental health coach. I just think that it just had to do with, like me becoming an adult and like us like shifting, like like us not living together anymore like that kind of thing. Um, so yeah, I don't really think that, like being a coach like has changed how I communicate with you.
Speaker 1:I think that it's only just like allowed me to do it in like a different way almost with you, because, like I am, like sometimes I am your coach and sometimes I'm not so, like whenever I am your coach, like I, but I when I, when I say that I'm like the dynamic that has grown and shifted with us, like has allowed me to be a coach for you. Like I don't think that I would have been able to do that like in a healthy way a couple of years ago. Like I don't think I would have been able to like separate that as much as like I can like compartmentalize it now um, but like I think the same is true for me.
Speaker 2:I, um, I'm able to accept, like, what you have to say and offer as somebody that that is more, um is better at that than I am, um, and that's a. I think that can be a shift for, like, a parent, child, um, as far as feeling like you know what I mean, I actually feel that way as far as, like, work stuff goes as well, where, um, like you doing social media things for me, I like in the past I was like, well, I know this and she doesn't know that, and now I'm like, oh no, she does it better than I can, whatever she says. Um, so, like, that's a. You know what I mean. That's a. That's a shift as well. So I think no, and you, you're so professional, like when you do the coaching part, I don't even sometimes feel like I'm talking to you. I feel like I'm yeah, so that is um so interesting. But you're right, you have always I mean even when it wasn't really appropriate for you to be my like my person um, you were.
Speaker 1:So it's the natural, it's like a natural part of who you are yeah, and I feel like that was like a lot of people too, like I yeah, I just kind of feel like I've always yeah just had that role. I mean people used to call me mom in high school like I was the person people came to like for that kind of advice.
Speaker 1:So like, yeah, I don't know, I I don't think that specifically has changed anything for me. I just think that time and like growth has like shifted the way that I can like look at it and then like healthily compartmentalize like different sections of it, if that makes sense it does all right.
Speaker 2:Um, and then one for me. What's one thing you've learned from Emily about mental health or self-care that's changed the way you see things. You have like failed drugs, like failed like medications for depression. As opposed to meaning I mean you failed, I mean they failed. Like they didn't, they didn't work.
Speaker 1:Prescription drugs. Just so we're clear. I'm not like on, like crack or anything like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Having watched the fact that it was difficult for you to find, like that was the same thing for me, but it was actually.
Speaker 2:It seemed harder, even harder for you because you didn't have a good person to start with and I had an outstanding person from the beginning, so, um, so I think that was a huge difference.
Speaker 2:But watching how that can happen to people and how they can get the wrong people and get the wrong you know medication and then it was like very eyeopening to see and understand. Also, um, I think the thing that I've learned from you is like how like you're, you're like committed to self care and, um, I think your generation is actually committed to self care and like work life balance, whereas my generation is just like you grind until there's nothing left and um, and so I'm like it's really. There's like two parts of me sometimes where I'm like well, why are people taking naps? It's grind until you can't go any further, and then um, but then there's another part of me that's like and look where that got you, you know. So it's very commendable at the same time, to see that you've prioritized your well-being and your mental health, and I think that is really important and inspirational.
Speaker 1:One of my affirmations is like I'm successful even when I don't push myself to my limit, so that I can like remind myself of that because it's definitely it's hard. It's so hard especially when you are a business owner, because like yeah, you do have to grind in like other kinds of ways, but it's like having to have the balance of like not pushing yourself to burn out, basically, and also working to make it work.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, all right. Um, we'll do two more, so this one is for both of us. Um, do you think other mothers and daughters should try a similar project together, and what advice would you give them?
Speaker 1:Uh, that is such that's so hard to answer, because I'm like who are the people Like, like, what's their?
Speaker 2:dynamic, like.
Speaker 1:I think that like this works for us, because, like of our relationship and the way that we think and the way that we already communicate, um, like I even like I was saying like if we tried to do this four years ago, I don't think that it would have been good oh no, we would have been unhappy and it would have been a mess and it just wouldn't have been enjoyable, um, so I'm like no, I don't think every mother and daughter should do this, um, but do I think that every like parent, child like dynamic, should like work on their communication with each other?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, like. I think that, but that doesn't look like doing a project together, yeah, or a podcast, like I feel like that can just be like okay, well, we don't talk very often.
Speaker 1:Okay, like start texting once a week or something like that. Like just making like the communication a priority for us. Like we have done a lot of work on our communication and how we work together, so, and this is like a creative way for both of us to come together and continue that growth. So I'm like it made sense for us, but it definitely would not make sense for everybody and it would not have made sense for us three or four years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I think it would have been. We could have done it when you were younger. I think that we would have have been. We could have done it when you were younger. I think that we would have. It would have been fun and we would have had a great time. But there was a an adjustment period for both of us, like you leaving the nest and growing up and you know, and Jake being like the primary person and me being like, oh, where do I fit, where do I stand? Like I'm losing her. She needs space and boundaries and all those things, and um, and like how you deal and navigate with that. Like I think that time period in life it can be hard. Um, it's especially, I felt, like for us, because we didn't have, like those angst years of teenage. You being a teenager, like I was unprepared for that to happen at 21. Like I was like, wait a minute, she doesn't like me now. Like I, made.
Speaker 1:It was never that I didn't like you, no I didn't like you. Yeah, no, it's like. It was like not a subtle transition like there was no transition stage. It was like boom, boom like this is the difference yeah, and that was difficult.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, I mean yeah. So I think, I think it depends yeah depends on the person, all right. And then the last question is a fun question and this is going to be so easy like this. I already laughed at this one. This is the one I did actually read and I was like, okay, if you could pick any fictional mother daughter duo to join you on an episode, who would it be and what would you talk about?
Speaker 1:I wonder who we're gonna pick lorelei and rory gilmore yep, oh, lorelei and ri and Rory.
Speaker 2:And what would we talk about? We would talk. We would ask questions about Luke.
Speaker 1:We would ask questions about Logan, I would want to know who's yeah, who's the father, who's the? Freaking father of Rory.
Speaker 2:Who's the daddy yeah?
Speaker 1:who's the baby daddy? Like give us the tea. And and then also like, do you eventually end up with logan, because you freaking should like, yeah, he loves you you love him.
Speaker 2:Let's make it happen, man, and let's hear about luke and laura and how they love, how they love each other and their marriage, and all that good stuff and um, and how's emily? And? Yeah, all the, all the. How do you keep in contact with Suki, like I really want to know about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how's Michelle, like these are questions. Yep, I agree, yep.
Speaker 2:What's happening?
Speaker 1:Stars Hollow, Is Taylor going crazy Like give us all.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, yeah. So there's like a bunch more, but we can do this another day. I think this is. I think this is good for now, so thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. Thank you to the audience for listening. Thanks for tuning in. We are here every Monday for Mind your Heart Mondays. If you enjoy watching, then you can always watch us on YouTube. Just subscribe, and then you can even watch us on YouTube. Just subscribe, and then you can even hit that little notification button, little bell, so that way you get notified when the video goes live. And then, if you're just a listener, you're listening to us in the shower, in the car, on the walk then subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and feel free to like leave your own question. Yeah, put that in the comments wherever you listen, or on the comments of youtube.
Speaker 1:So yeah, comments anywhere. There's also um a link in all the descriptions where you can like. If you have an in-depth question, then you can fill that out. That's maybe more personal to you. Then we can go over that too. So yeah, lots of options for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see you next week, all right, bye.
